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Comments on: Who’s afraid of the fashion police? http://www.fifthestate.co.uk/2006/11/whos-afraid-of-the-fashion-police/ Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:47:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Diane at All the clothes.co.uk http://www.fifthestate.co.uk/2006/11/whos-afraid-of-the-fashion-police/comment-page-1/#comment-88880 Diane at All the clothes.co.uk Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:35:59 +0000 http://fifthestate.co.uk/2006/11/cover-up-or-show-off-part-2/#comment-88880 I've just been looking through Margot Lister's Costume - and note that 13-14th century women have lots of scarves and headwear, although no veils! I'd imagine that the reasoning behind this is as much to do with the lack of central heating as a desire to be modest. My grandmother used to wear headscarfs an awful lot - and in winter when gardening a balaclava. This was to do with keeping warm also! I was at a meeting last night where a deaf lady struggled to keep up with conversations as there was no loop system for her. I know her lipreading skills would be compromised by veils and other face covers. I’ve just been looking through Margot Lister’s Costume – and note that 13-14th century women have lots of scarves and headwear, although no veils!
I’d imagine that the reasoning behind this is as much to do with the lack of central heating as a desire to be modest.
My grandmother used to wear headscarfs an awful lot – and in winter when gardening a balaclava. This was to do with keeping warm also!
I was at a meeting last night where a deaf lady struggled to keep up with conversations as there was no loop system for her. I know her lipreading skills would be compromised by veils and other face covers.

]]> By: Tracy Quan http://www.fifthestate.co.uk/2006/11/whos-afraid-of-the-fashion-police/comment-page-1/#comment-3496 Tracy Quan Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:23:49 +0000 http://fifthestate.co.uk/2006/11/cover-up-or-show-off-part-2/#comment-3496 What an interesting question! I will look into this and see what I can find out. I imagine it would depend on the bonnet. Some were ornate and some were quite simple. What an interesting question! I will look into this and see what I can find out. I imagine it would depend on the bonnet. Some were ornate and some were quite simple.

]]> By: millie http://www.fifthestate.co.uk/2006/11/whos-afraid-of-the-fashion-police/comment-page-1/#comment-3415 millie Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:37:48 +0000 http://fifthestate.co.uk/2006/11/cover-up-or-show-off-part-2/#comment-3415 how much were bonnets in the 1789s? how much were bonnets in the 1789s?

]]> By: The Bookseller to the Stars http://www.fifthestate.co.uk/2006/11/whos-afraid-of-the-fashion-police/comment-page-1/#comment-234 The Bookseller to the Stars Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:13:43 +0000 http://fifthestate.co.uk/2006/11/cover-up-or-show-off-part-2/#comment-234 There's just not the same amount of sexual gratification in a hoodie, somehow. There’s just not the same amount of sexual gratification in a hoodie, somehow.

]]> By: Tracy Quan http://www.fifthestate.co.uk/2006/11/whos-afraid-of-the-fashion-police/comment-page-1/#comment-220 Tracy Quan Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:48:39 +0000 http://fifthestate.co.uk/2006/11/cover-up-or-show-off-part-2/#comment-220 Thank you Molly and Chas. I have added a link (on the word "hoodie") to Bryan Curtis in Slate: http://www.slate.com/id/2153354/?nav=tap3 I find his piece thought-provoking. Is it not rather ironic that today's most controversial clothing items are the niqab and the hoodie? These conjure up such different stereotypes -- one male, one female; one predatory, the other victimized. The hoodie seems to represent lawlessness or crime while the niqab represents virtue and restriction. Love reading about hoodies almost as much as I like to read about veils. I received a funny email from a friend who is surprised to learn (from reading 5th Estate) that I actually own a hoodie! Well, I own about ten... but that's a subject for another day. Thank you Molly and Chas. I have added a link (on the word “hoodie”) to Bryan Curtis in Slate:
http://www.slate.com/id/2153354/?nav=tap3

I find his piece thought-provoking. Is it not rather ironic that today’s most controversial clothing items are the niqab and the hoodie? These conjure up such different stereotypes — one male, one female; one predatory, the other victimized. The hoodie seems to represent lawlessness or crime while the niqab represents virtue and restriction.

Love reading about hoodies almost as much as I like to read about veils. I received a funny email from a friend who is surprised to learn (from reading 5th Estate) that I actually own a hoodie! Well, I own about ten… but that’s a subject for another day.

]]> By: Charles Peck http://www.fifthestate.co.uk/2006/11/whos-afraid-of-the-fashion-police/comment-page-1/#comment-199 Charles Peck Wed, 08 Nov 2006 22:06:54 +0000 http://fifthestate.co.uk/2006/11/cover-up-or-show-off-part-2/#comment-199 Tracy Quan can always be counted on for a thoughtful, provocative piece. Someone or something that is completely (or largely) covered often provokes suspicion. "Cover-up" refers to an illicit effort to conceal a truth. A Greek word for truth is "altheia," which means unhidden. And those with evil intentions are often cloaked or masked. By contrast are phrases like "the naked truth" or "the bare facts." Body veils or even facial veils may well provoke this almost visceral reaction of suspicion. Tracy Quan can always be counted on for a thoughtful, provocative piece.

Someone or something that is completely (or largely) covered often provokes suspicion. “Cover-up” refers to an illicit effort to conceal a truth. A Greek word for truth is “altheia,” which means unhidden. And those with evil intentions are often cloaked or masked. By contrast are phrases like “the naked truth” or “the bare facts.”

Body veils or even facial veils may well provoke this almost visceral reaction of suspicion.

]]> By: Molly Crabapple http://www.fifthestate.co.uk/2006/11/whos-afraid-of-the-fashion-police/comment-page-1/#comment-193 Molly Crabapple Tue, 07 Nov 2006 23:55:33 +0000 http://fifthestate.co.uk/2006/11/cover-up-or-show-off-part-2/#comment-193 As a Colette addict who's spent quite a bit of time travelling in the Middle East, I completely get what you're talking about with the different meanings of concealing and revealing. Did you ever hear about the savvy cloth merchants, who after the fall of Napolean turned their bonapartist bees upside down to look like Bourban fleur-de-lis? As a Colette addict who’s spent
quite a bit of time travelling in the Middle East, I completely get
what you’re talking about with the different meanings of concealing
and revealing.

Did you ever hear about the savvy cloth merchants, who after the fall
of Napolean turned their bonapartist bees upside down to look like
Bourban fleur-de-lis?

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